Posted 3/6/2010 5:45 pm
You know, i often thought about the celtic kilt and the greek foustanella (greek kilt)
but surely it cant be true, greeks were celts ?
Northeast of Greece is Galicia. The people that settled over that great expanse were Galitians from Gaul - FRANCE.
The Bible's "Galatians" is a letter written to them by Paul(?) or one of the other evangelists in the first century AD - so they were already there at that time.
Gauls are Celts - yes?
This all happened way before the barabrians hordes descended on them all (fall of Rome), and many centuries before the Mongols came.
Seems to me that Hellenic Greeks were rather blonde, fair, and of western/northern features unlike modern Greeks who are rather swarthy, dark and Turkic looking.
Posted 3/6/2010 5:51 pm
Can we all agree the Macedonians were the rednecks of the Hellenic world who were overrun by the slavs (the shitskins) of the ancient world
Pre-Roman Gaul
A map of Gaul in the 1st century BC, showing the relative positions of the Celtic tribes.
Further information: Prehistoric France, Celts, and Greeks in pre-Roman Gaul
The early history of the Gauls is predominantly a work in archaeology - there being little written information (save perhaps what can be gleaned from coins) concerning the peoples that inhabited these regions - and the relationships between their material culture, genetic relationships (the study of which has been aided, in recent years, through the field of archaeogenetics), and linguistic divisions rarely coincide.
The major source of materials on the Celts of Gaul was Poseidonios of Apamea, whose writings were quoted by Timagenes, Julius Caesar, the Sicilian Greek Diodorus Siculus, and the Greek geographer Strabo.[8]
Many cultural traits of the early Celts seem to have been carried northwest up the Danube Valley, although this issue is contested. It seems as if they derived many of their skills (like metal-working), as well as certain facets of their culture, from Balkan peoples. Some scholars think that the Bronze Age Urnfield culture represents an origin for the Celts as a distinct cultural branch of the Indo-European-speaking peoples (see Proto-Celtic). The Urnfield culture was preeminent in central Europe during the late Bronze Age, from ca. 1200 BC until 700 BC. The spread of iron-working led to the development of the Hallstatt culture (ca. 700 to 500 BC) directly from the Urnfield. Proto-Celtic, the latest common ancestor of all known Celtic languages, is considered by some scholars to have been spoken at the time of the late Urnfield or early Hallstatt cultures.
Massalia (modern Marseille) silver coin with Greek legend, 5th-1st century B.C.
The Hallstatt culture was succeeded by the La Tène culture, which developed out of the Hallstatt culture without any definite cultural break, under the impetus of considerable Mediterranean influence from the Greek, Phoenician, and Etruscan civilizations. The La Tène culture developed and flourished during the late Iron Age (from 450 BC to the Roman conquest in the 1st century BC) in France, Switzerland, Austria, southwest Germany, Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia and Hungary. Farther north extended the contemporary Pre-Roman Iron Age culture of northern Germany and Scandinavia.
By the 2nd century BC, France was called Gaul (Gallia Transalpina) by the Romans. In his Gallic Wars, Julius Caesar distinguishes among three ethnic groups in Gaul: the Belgae in the north (roughly between Rhine and Seine), the Celts in the center and in Armorica, and the Aquitani in the southwest, the southeast being already colonized by the Romans. While some scholars believe that the Belgae south of the Somme were a mixture of Celtic and Germanic elements, their ethnic affiliations have not been definitively resolved. One of the reasons is political interference upon the French historical interpretation during the 19th century. French historians adopted fully the explanation of Caesar who stated that Gaul stretched from the Pyrenees up to the Rhine in the north. This fitted the French expansionist aspirations of the time under Napoleon III. In the north of (modern) France, the Gaul-German language border was situated somewhere between the Seine and the Somme. Northern Belgic tribes like the Nervians, Atrebates or Morini appear to be Germanic tribes who migrated from the Germanic hinterland and adopted Celtic language and customs[citation needed], as all of the names of their leaders and towns are Celtic. In addition to the Gauls, there were other peoples living in Gaul, such as the Greeks and Phoenicians who had established outposts such as Massilia (present-day Marseille) along the Mediterranean coast. Also, along the southeastern Mediterranean coast, the Ligures had merged with the Celts to form a Celto-Ligurian culture.
In the 2nd century BC, Mediterranean Gaul had an extensive urban fabric and was prosperous, while the heavily forested northern Gaul had almost no cities outside of fortified compounds (or oppida) used in times of war. The prosperity of Mediterranean Gaul encouraged Rome to respond to pleas for assistance from the inhabitants of Massilia, who were under attack by a coalition of Ligures and Gauls. The Romans intervened in Gaul in 125 BC, and by 121 BC they had conquered the Mediterranean region called Provincia (later named Gallia Narbonensis). This conquest upset the ascendancy of the Gaulish Arverni tribe.
Posted 3/6/2010 6:20 pm
Today's Greeks are the Sole and Legal modern Representatives of the Hellenic legacy. No Other modern people on this planet are closer to the ancient Macedonians and their Hellenic legacy, than today's modern Greeks.
Today's Greeks take seriously their Legal and Moral obligations towards Hellenism. Today's Greeks shall protect their historic rights and their heritage from vile virulent vehement contamination, perversions corruptions and distortions to established and recorded mainstream European ancient history.
Posted 3/6/2010 6:43 pm
World Academia shall no longer Allow modern politicians to advance then promote narrow minded ill thought out, flawed poltical considerations above and beyond those of Academic Reference Points. The virtues of Established Recorded Mainstream Ancient European History shall be Respected.
The Power and Clout of World Academia shall defend and protect History's Established and Recorded Academic Reference Points.
People who have Ancient History as a research interest, shall defend and protect the virtues of Ancient history from Celtic Slavic and Turkic perversions distortions and corruptions.
Posted 3/6/2010 7:01 pm
FYRoM uses the Macedonian Name Under False Pretenses. On November 4, 2004, two days after the re-election of ex-President George W. Bush, his administration unilaterally recognized FYRoM as the “Republic of Macedonia” totally disregarding World Academia and Balkan political history.
Macedonia(n) when this name is used, it refer's to Greek Hellenic people by default, courtesy of World Academic [The World Body of Knowledge].
The Advisors to ex-President Bush issued ill thought out, poor substandard and flawed Advice, totally disregarding World Academia, they went ahead with recognition at the expense of upsetting Greece, a staunch and loyal long time member of Nato. These Advisors based their ill thought out, poor Advice on political and geo-political strategic considerations which today are No Longer Applicable.
Human rights and the rights of modern people to self express as they wish is no longer considered viable or even appropriate in the face of strong academic arguments in favour of the rights of existing Indigenous peoples that already use the Macedonia(n) name in the regional geographic context.
The People of FYRoM declaring themselves "Macedeonians" is problematic and confusing, Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks and they have been residing in that same region from the beginning, since time immemorial.
FYRoM has a Choice......Choose a Name which Properly Reflects and Distinguishes SlavMacedonians from GreekMacedonians. The Difference between the Two are Considerable, for example:
GreekMacedonians are the modern heirs and Inheritors of the Hellenic legacy, which Includes Alexander the Great and the Ancient Macedonians of Antiquity. World Academia (The World Body of Knowledge) Endorse and Support the Greekness of the Macedonians.
FYRoM has to differentiate itself from Hellenism by using a Prefix / Suffix in their New Name.....This is what the Greeks are asking for, this is what global politicians are expecting and this is what the world is waiting for!
Macedonia(n) by Deception is NOT Macedonia(n) at all!
Macedonia Void of it's Hellenic Elements is NOT Macedonia at all!
FYRoM uses the Macedonian Name Under False Pretenses......Today's Greeks can Prove This at any Legal Setting.
Posted 3/6/2010 7:19 pm
FYRoM [Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia] uses that Macedonian Name Under False Pretenses. Individuals are free to Self Identiify, Declare as they wish.....within legal constraints and common sense parameters.
As an "Individual", one has the right to self express and declare as they wish, providing that it is within the necessary legal parameters and criteria, and of course by doing so, you do not liable yourself or Other's in that due process. As an Individual you can allocate yourself any Name you wish. FYRoM as a Nation does Not have the same rights befitting an Individual.
Human rights and the rights of modern people to self express (Nationally) as they wish, is no longer considered viable or appropriate, in the face of strong academic arguments in favour of the rights of existing indigenous peoples, which already use that Macedonia(n) name in the regional geographic context.
The People of FYRoM declaring themselves Nationally as Macedonians, is problematic and confusing, Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks and they have been residing in that same region and they have been using that same Name since time immemorial...Modern Greeks can Prove it!
FYRoM's Nationality, Language and Ethnicity shall have to find a Suitable Name....One that will properly describe and Identify it's people and their history in today's modern and complicated world.
Macedonia(n).....when this Name is used, it refer's to Greek Hellenic people by default, courtesy of world academia (The World Body of Knowledge).
Greeks can Prove that Macedonians have always been Greeks, from the dawn of time untill the present.
The Greek Nation can Not Allow a NoN Greek People to Adopt or Usurp Greek Hellenic Names, Symbols, History and Heritage!
Show me a Serious Minded Modern Politician, who will put at Risk his / her's Political Credibility and Integrity, Arguing against the teachings of World Academia over the use of a Greek Hellenic Name, by a NoN Greek People fantasizing about their biological closeness to Alexander the Great and the Ancient Macedonians.
Macedonia(n) by Deception is NOT Macedonia(n) at all!
Macedonia Void of it's Hellenic Elements is NOT Macedonia at all!
Posted 3/6/2010 8:06 pm
It is a recorded fact....Propaganda has been used in order to distort and corrupt established recorded mainstream European ancient history.
Everything that was ever written about Macedonia, both old and new....and deemed relevant to the ongoing name dispute issue, has been collated and filed for posterity and for obvious legal reasons.
Propanda must not be rewarded, it must be exposed confronted then corrected, all of those found perpertrating propaganda, whether internal or external should be bought to justice. The coming together of a significant number of international scholar's, forming a loose academic grouping, a politicized unit ready and willing to speak with one voice, in order to challenge flawed political considerations should they ever be given credence above and beyond those of established academic reference points. Academia versus ill thought out political consideration!
http://macedonia-evidence.org/
Academic Clout over Political Expediency. Global policians are aware of the Power of Academia [The World Body of Knowledge].
Todays Greeks are the modern Representatives of the Hellenic legacy.....Spanning Ancient Hellenes, Greek Romioi, Greek Byzantines. The Greek claim is legitimized by the last speech of the Eastern Roman Emperor Constantine XI Paleologos here: http://rumkatkilise.org/constantineXI.htm
The last Emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire, martyred by the forces of Sultan Mehmet during the assault on The City on May 29, 1453. Blessed Constantine, whose feast is celebrated on May 29. The last Emperor of Byzantium addressed Greeks (Hellenes) Venetians and Genoese (Greeks and Latins) Orthodox Christians and Catholics united in the face of Adversity and impending doom, Christians of both persuasions standing shoulder to shoulder in holy union in order to fend off the advances of the barbarian Turk.
Modern Greeks take seriously their moral and legal obligations towards Hellenism, it is for this reason Greeks jealously guard their history and heritage from any perverse and corrupt distortions which may enter and contaminate established mainstream history as we know it. The Hellenic Republic reserves the right to defend and protect it's historic rights, using all the necessary political and academic tools at it's disposal. Today's Greeks are determined to keep Macedonia Greek.
Macedonia.....it's history and it's heritage is impregnated, scratched into the Greek Hellenic Collective Consciousness and psyche. Modern Greeks will not share it with NoN Greeks. Todays' Greeks can Not allow a NoN Greek people to adopt or usurp the Macedonian Name for Language use, Ethnicity use, or Nationality use.
Macedonia(n)....when this name is used, it refer's to Greek Hellenic people by default, courtesy of world academia (The World Body of Knowledge).
Macedonians have always been Greek Hellenic people, since the dawn of time untill the present.
Most learned people support the Greek position on the Name dispute issue. Most learned people do not understand the Reasons or the Motives, why a NoN Greek people would even want to consider the use of a Greek Hellenic Name to self declare with in order to Identify themselves.
FYRoM uses the Macedonian Name Under False Pretenses......Today's Greeks can Prove This at any Legal Setting.
They can say whatever the fuck they want. Just because he fought for them does not mean was a Greek. The blood that flowed through him was Illyrian/Albanian.
. Next someone will post a saying saying he was a 
.