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Posted 11/27/2011 11:27 am
Every Tom Dick and Harry knows Macedonians have always been Greeks,I mean, Greek speaking Hellenic people.
Macedonia(n)...when this term is used, it is used to refer to northern Greeks. Macedonians were the Greeks that produced war-like militaristic leaders such as king Philip of Macedon and his son Alexander the Great who had ambitions to unify all those fractious ancient Greek groups, tribes and kingdoms into one Hellenic nation under Macedon leadership.
Alexander did achieve his ambition, he needed to unify all the Greeks under his leadership in order to liberate those ancient Greek city states and settlements in the east, that found themselves subjugated under Persian hegemony.
Alexander the Great did achieve his lifetime ambition, he achieved his aims by military means, and once that was done, he then went on to expand the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known world.
Alexander the Great had forward vision, he made sure that wherever his Macedonians went, they were Instructed to leave their calling cards carved deep into the bedrock and the cornerstones, the foundations and building blocks of every single city they visited built or renamed, as if he knew, that one day, far-off into the future a bunch of SouthSlavic Abduls, Mehmetins and Gorans would question the ancient Macedonians Greekness.
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Posted 11/27/2011 11:27 am
FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have shown us their opportunistic Inclinations, the sheer audacity and the arrogance by which they attempt to link themselves to Alexander the Greats Macedonians can be likened to a daredevils cockiness.
FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have the gall to stand-up in front of a world audiance and proclaim themselves Macedonians...
...Indoctrinated SerboBulgarian speaking SouthSlavs stood-up in front of the Greeks, stared the Greeks in the face and proclaimed themselves Macedonians.
I am Greek...I No permit them, I mean, I No permit SerboBulgarian speaking SouthSlavs to use a Greek-Hellenic name for their new SouthSlavic country, nationality, language or ethnicity!
Join me...Go tell the Abduls Mehmetins and Gorans where to get-off!
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Posted 11/27/2011 4:51 pm
Macedonia:Balkanian Identity YES or NO
Greeks dislike the Balkan term very much,it has conotations with backwardness, but not only that,it sounds foreign, too Turkic sounding and way outside, I mean, way different from the regions original Indigenous name.
The Haemus peninsula is the place which spawned Hellenism, where the ancient Greeks dwelt, approximately 25 Million of them if we take into consideration typical population demographics for the everage ancient Greek City State, Kingdom or Trading Settlement which existed in antiquity.
The ancient Greeks considered the Haemus peninsula their own unique back-yard. Today though,that same place has less Hellenes in it than it did in the past, I mean, in ancient times, so what happened to all those Greeks...
...cut down thats what, they were incremently cut down in size, right throughout the ages due to warring, famines and many other factors but the single most reducing factor is the dilution element, this is probably the factor which cut them down the most, I mean, Greeks were absorbed into that exogenous melee of peoples who for one reason or another decided to settle on GrecoRoman soil in order to make it their home.
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Posted 11/27/2011 4:52 pm
The Haemus peninsula absorbed many exogenous outsiders through-out the ages,call them newcomers if you like...the Greeks [Romioi] though, were large enough in number before the dark ages to absorbe them and to assimilate them into the GrecoRoman [Byzantine] culture and civilization, but come the dark ages leading to the early middle ages, came an overwhelming number of Huns Magyars and Avars, Bulgars and Slavs also which simply swamped the Haemus peninsula with their numbers, that melee of peoples today is simply called "The Balkans," the original native Indigenous Haemus term is all but forgotten.
FYRoM's ethnic composition is uniquely Balkanian if there is such a term to Identity with...Macedonian though, they simply are not.
Simply because FYRoM's exogenous forebears came into the GrecoRoman world some time around the top-end of the 6th Century A.D. pissed on the grass and called it home, does not make them Macedonian and neither does the fact that they absorbed some Greek stuff into their blood and Dna, that still does not entitle them to more or higher rights, I mean, above and beyond the rights of Greeks to keep their ancestral, regional-tribal Macedonian name, within the Greek domain.
Macedonians have always been Greeks...FYRoM can not take this Greek-Hellenic name based on their forebears associating with, sometimes in more ways than just brushing shoulders with GrecoRomans from the early middle ages.
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Posted 12/4/2011 10:15 pm
Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people, every Tom Dick and Harry knows that but Abdul Mehmetin and Goran do not know that!
Can you see the difference here, every Tom Dick and Harry knows that Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people so what happened to Abdul Mehmetin and Goran, why is it they dont know, what is the difference between them ???
The difference ofcourse, is this:
Only Turkics* and Slavics* dispute the Greekness of the ancient Macedonians, they do not recognize the Macedonians Greek-Hellenic Identity...only Abduls Mehmetins and Gorans do this, I mean contest Alexander the Greats Greek-Hellenic credentials, so this begs the question:
Question: What did Tom Dick and Harry learn that Abdul Mehmetin and Goran did not!
Answer: Abdul Mehmetin and Goran learned a different history from the rest of us. Turanid Abduls and Mehmetins teamed up with Slavist Gorans to badmouth Greeks and denigrate Hellenism.
Note: Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people, this is what the Abduls, Mehmetins and Gorans of this world need to learn.
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Posted 12/4/2011 10:16 pm
Macedonia:As Greek Then as it is Now!
This is what Abdul Mehmetin and Goran need to learn recognize and acknowledge...in No uncertain terms!
I mean, every Tom Dick and Harry knows...Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people, so what did they learn that Abdul Mehmetin and Goran did not ?
Afrocentric Induced, Turanid Influenced Slavists from the old Yugoslavia Indoctrinated their own children pupils and students, made them crazy with their brand of revisionism and pseudo-history to the point where we now have Abduls Mehmetins and Gorans walking the streets thinking of themselves as Trojans, Thracians and Macedonians respectively...This is No right, right!
FYRoM's educational establishment should be opened-up to scrutiny, I mean, to have inspectors check-out exactly what it is they teach their own children about our common European history.
In Europe, we can not have a situation where one country is teaching a preverse, corrupted version of our common European history to their children pupils and students,
when the rest of Europe adhere to the long established mainstream historical record.
Macedonia(n)...when this term is used, it is used to refer to the Greek speaking Hellenic people from northern Greece that have been using that regional-tribal name for Millenia.
Macedonia(n)...is Greek-Hellenic regional Identity, an ancient and archaic regional-tribal name which has been in constant use by the Hellenes of the past and of the present.
Macedonia(n)...is not different or seperate from the rest of the Greeks.
FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can Not have this name to describe their new SouthSlavic country, nationality, language or ethnicity...why ?
Because Macedonians wont let them, plain and simple, for plain and simple people...understand
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Posted 12/4/2011 10:17 pm
Macedonia:That Macedonians Have Always Been Greeks!
That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are viewed by politicians and diplomats alike as being disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians from the old Yugoslavia is not a false statement to make. Global politicians and world diplomats alike, were forced to seek this advice in light of them having to make ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic judgments regarding "Macedonians" in lieu of the ongoing name dispute between FYRoM and the Hellenic Republic.
The feedback they received, I mean, the specialist advice they were issued is what the Greeks have been saying right from the get-go.Macedonians have always been Geek speaking Hellenic people, this is what historians told them, this is what ethnographers told them, this is what philologists told them and this is what the UN, EU, USA, NATO and world academia tell them. Macedonians are Greeks,they have always been Greeks, right from the get-go.
That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not Macedonian in the Greek sense of that word is not a false statement to make. It is all but given that No serious politician or world diplomat equates them to those Macedonians who spread the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the ancient world. FYRoM's Macedonian Identity is at best questionable, achieved more through thievery than any real affiliations towards real Macedonia or Macedonians respectively.
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Posted 12/4/2011 10:18 pm
That FYRoM achieved it's Macedonian Identity through cultural thievery is not a false statement to make. Wherever one travels in that country, Hellenic themes and synergies prevail, as if to draw ones attention to an Identity more associated with Hellenic than to Slavic heritage.
That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are now out in the cold, in the wilderness of isolation is not a false statement to make. Global politicians and world diplomats alike, can not be seen to associate, or be in any way sympathetic towards the FYRoM cause for fear of that stigma staining or blemishing their moral conduct.
That FYRoM is given a unique opportunity to make amends is not a false statement to make. FYRoM shall Integrate with the rest of the European family the day it recognizes in No uncertain terms, the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity.
That FYRoM needs to make a compromise is not a false statement to make. The Onus is on FYRoM to do that, I mean, to compromise and chose a proper more suitable name for itself...a name which properly describes the country and it's peoples, a name which does not clash or conflict with neighbouring peoples regional-tribal names, and most Importantly, a name for all of FYRoM's disparate peoples to be proud of...this is what the Greeks want, this is what global politicans expect and this is what the world is waiting for!
That Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people is not a false statement to make...every Tom Dick and Harry knows Macedonians have always been Greeks.
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Posted 12/7/2011 5:59 pm
Macedonians:Shall Defend and Protect their Historic Rights!
Macedonians started off as Greek speaking Hellenic people...If for some unexplained reasons, they strayed, diverted off and adopted another, I mean foreign and different culture, they could always Re-Hellenize, that is if they know for sure, they are from Greek-Hellenic stock.
Re-Hellenization...this is the only way of sharing in the history and heritage of the Greeks. Slavic speaking Macedonians owe it to their Hellenic ancestors to Re-Hellenize and return back to the fold otherwise it is impossible for Slavic people to be Macedonian, I mean, to be the type of Macedonian they want to be, the type of Macedonian rooted to Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity...this is impossible, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can not be this type of Macedonian because this type of Macedonian is foreign to Slavs, outside their ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic traditions.
Alexander the Greats Macedonians were Greek speaking Hellenic people, they knew absolutely nothing of Slavs or their SerboBulgarian language.
FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are...meaning, they have nothing to do with those ancient Macedonians who spread the Greek-Hellenic language knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the ancient world.
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Posted 12/7/2011 6:00 pm
The nearest people, I mean closest modern people to Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity are todays Greeks.
Todays Greeks are the sole and legal modern representatives of the ancient Hellenic legacy which includes Alexander the Great and his Macedonians...this Hellenic type of Macedonian is the indigenous type, the native original, the autochthonous type of Macedonian...spawned from Hellenism, not from Slavdom as FYRoM's Indoctrinated Slavs would have us believe.
So what now...
Greeks shall continue to shove this information down the throats of Thick Illiterate SouthSlavs, the ones who believe in a Slavic Alexander the Great...these Thick Illiterate SouthSlavs know him as Aleksandar Veliki the first Czar of the Slavs where he spoke Oldchurch Slavonic to his troops in ancient times.
To whom it may concern...
Greeks shall defend and protect their historic and hereditary rights...come Hell or High Water!
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Posted 12/14/2011 7:02 pm
Strong Proof:FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Bulgarians In Transition
Strong proof Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people can be found in their own homelands where one does not have to walk long distances to find something concrete, considered as being hard evidence in the academic archaelogical field and philology fields respectively.
Northern Greece is the ancestral homelands of the Macedonians, something which has long been established in the mainstream historical narrative. Those who attempt to distort, I mean, blur the distinction between Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks are known...they are Slavists from the old Yugoslavia, aided and abetted by Turanids from the Turkic world.
Goran scratches Mehmetins back and Mehmetin reciprocates by scratching Gorans back...Goran likes it when Mehmetin tells him he is descended from ancient Macedonians and Mehmetin likes it when Goran tells him he is descended from ancient Trojans. Both Slavist and Turanid Ideologies attempt to de-Hellenize the ancient Macedonians in order to make them Slavic and ancient Trojans Turkic.
Proof Macedonians have always been Greeks is in the way Macedonians walk and talk...Macedonians have always walked and talked like Greeks, right from the start and the very beginning. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs wanting to use that Greek-Helenic name for their newly emergent SouthSlavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity keeps them on the fringes of the very structures they tell us they aspire to join, Nato and the European family of nations.
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Posted 12/14/2011 7:02 pm
FYRoM is kept at a distance, at arms length, shoved up a siding until they realise it for themselves that nobody in Europe considers them Macedonian in the Greek sense of that word.In European circles they are known simply as Slav-Macedonians, or Bulgarians in transition.
FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are SouthSlavs of the Serbian and Bulgarian variety...mainly Bulgarians, it is these Bulgarians that have been sufficiently seperated from Bulgaria proper, they are going through a seperation phase making the transition from Bulgarian to Macedonian, but the wrong type of Macedonian.
Macedonia(n)...when this term is used, it is used to refer to Northern Greeks, it is a regional-tribal name which has been in constant use in the Greek-Hellenic world for Millenia. On this basis FYRoM has neither persuaded nor convinced the outside world to accept them in the way they themselves want to be accepted...as just Macedonians.
Strong proof Macedonians have always been Greeks can be found in every library and in every museum and in every learning institution strewn right across Western Europe and beyond
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Posted 12/18/2011 1:00 pm
Macedonia:For Greeks To Breath Again...For Greeks to breath again, something needs to change in the Haemus peninsula, homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples. The Haemus peninsula spawned Hellenism...that part of Europe has always been Hellenic, homelands of the Hellenes from since time immemorial. Neighbouring peoples such as the Illyrians and the Thracians succumbed to a culture who's qualities were evidently more dominant and more resiliant, both the Illyrians and Thracians Hellenized with ease and adopted it for their own culture of choice.
But who Hellenized them, I mean, who Hellenized those ancient Illyrians and those ancient Thracians...Macedonians did that Hellenization thing to them, so by the time of Alexander the Great, both peoples were represented in his armies when the Greek king of Macedon decided it was time to payback a long held grudge against the mighty Persians, for invading Hellas almost two centuries before and for desecrating Hellenic holy sites.
The ancient Macedonians were fanatic Greeks, they held grudges against those who did them harm and those who did harm to Hellas and Hellenism. Macedonians paid those grudges back when the time permitted, such was their behavioural attributes towards other people...including other Greeks, I mean, they would not think twice about warring with other Greeks to get their way, such was their demeanor!
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Posted 12/18/2011 1:00 pm
The Haemus peninsula was home to three native Indigenous peoples...(i)Thracians (ii)Illyrians and (iii)Hellenes.
From these three autochthonous root races, the Hellenes dominated, I mean, the Hellenic culture became the culture of choice for the region...the Haemus peninsula was home to a peoples that used the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture and who later [exported] spread those ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic elements East, to the far reaches of the ancient world, under the hegemony of Alexander the Greats Macedonians.
The Haemus peninsula today, is still home to those native originals, I mean ofcourse, those Indigenous peoples, the Illyrians Thracians and Hellenes who's modern representatives can be found today, absorbed into the Balkan melee, a vicinage altered by time and by newcomers.
The Haemus [Balkan] peninsula is now home to newcomers, late arrivals to the region, invader-settlers who made it their home, the place is now home to Slavic speaking peoples and to Turkic speaking peoples, their ancestral forebears settled the region in different places at different times...Hellenisms new neighbours.
Greeks do not use the Balkan term...preferring instead,
the native original. The Haemus peninsula, once dominated by a Hellenic culture is now dominated by a TurkoSlavic one,
where Turkics and Slavics work in tandem to keep Hellenism from gaining ground.
Unlike their Western European cousins...Greeks find themselves handi-capped by geography and by uncompromising neighbours. For Greeks to breath again, something needs to change in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula!
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If it were proven...the ancient Macedonians were Hellenized, then this is their first recorded [known] ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic attributes and affiliations.
Before they Hellenized they were not Macedonians because this name sprang from Hellenism and the Hellenic language!
Before they Hellenized they were non-assigned neutral people of unkown origins...this is what Slavists tell us.
So, based on Slavist theoretical principles...the proto-Macedonians first known ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic factors were all Greek-Hellenic.
Can those shameless Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia and from across the Slavic world really imply or go so far as to suggest that they know the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic elements of the very first Macedonians before they Hellenized...
...Only hardened propagandists or severely brainwashed Individuals would ever attempt to answer that question in a definative manner!
Like I said...the proto-Macedonians, if they were not Greeks to begin with, as Slavists would have us believe, and were non-assigned neutral people of unknown origins, then their very first [recorded] known, ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic attributes and affiliations were all Greek-Hellenic.
In plain terms and simple language...Macedonians were Greek speakers and Hellenic people long before they split or branched-off on a Slavic evolutionary course to become Slavic speakers.
Slavic speakers did not participate in the proto-Macedonians Hellenic development...so quite naturally, they have no rights to claim any historical or cultural elements from this Hellenic period of Macedonian development.
Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic people...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have nothing to do with the proto-Macedonians Hellenic development!
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Posted 2/4/2012 1:41 pm
Macedonia:The Class of 1944
Schools in Macedonia, I mean, in the Macedonian region of Northern Greece, continued to teach in the usual manner, the class of 1944 learned the same stuff as the class of 1943...Macedonians are the Greeks who's ancestral forebears spread Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient world. Even during the War years Greek children were learning the standard educational curriculum which was established through-out the whole of Greece.
The class of 1944 in selected Schools in the old-Yugoslavia however, went through a preplanned switch-over period, a language shift so to speak, where text-book Bulgarian changed from standard Cyrillic to accomodate some Serbian influences. Schools in the Vardar region of South-Serbia during the autumn of 1944, witnessed a strange educational phenomenon. The introduction of a new Slavic language necessitated the printing of some new text-books to cover all the curriculum subjects in the new language. Slavist philologists from the old-Yugoslavia created a new SouthSlavic language from Serbian and Bulgarian and named it "Macedonian language." The population of the Vardar region of South-Serbia during this period of time were Bulgarian speakers in the main, they spoke a western dialect of the Bulgarian language and used the same Cyrillic script as the Bulgarians used in Bulgaria.
Why Slavist philologists from the old-Yugoslavia would go to such lengths to create a new "so called" Macedonian language from Serbian and Bulgarian became very clear a year later when in 1945 that Vardar region of South-Serbia dropped the Vardar bit from it's name...South-Serbia became The Socialist Republic of Macedonia. The decision to rename the Vardar region of South-Serbia to "The Socialist Republic of Macedonia" was taken in order to compliment the creation of a Macedonian language just a year earlier.
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Posted 2/4/2012 1:42 pm
In the Slavist Schools of the old-Yugoslavia...The class of 1944 witnessed the introduction of the renaming of their existing Bulgarian language to Macedonian language with some new text-books to endorse and validate it's legitimacy into the school currilculum. From 1945 onwards, school children in the old-Yugoslavia and specifically in the Vardar region of South-Serbia were taught to think of themselves as Macedonians because now, they speak Macedonian and live in Macedonia. With each new year's intake of fresh pupils and students, Slavist revisionist pseudo-historians began to systematically Indoctrinate young Slavic children with the Idea Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity were their Macedonian ancestors. Young Slavic children from Serbian and Bulgarian stock were taught to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient Macedonians as Slavs.
From 1945 till 1991...two generations of SouthSlavic children were raised with the Idea they were real and proper Macedonians and Alexander the Great was their ancestor. FYRoM detached itself from the old-Yugoslavia and claimed it's Independence 1991 under the name Republic of Macedonia, when they knew full-well and in advance the Greek position on this matter.
From 1991 onwards FYRoM used dirty propaganda to rubbish the Greeks...racist propaganda and genetic propaganda were used to humiliate the modern Greeks in addition to other forms of propaganda such as Turanid and Slavist historical revisionism as well as Afrocentric propaganda. FYRoM's toxic, vehement and virulent anti-Hellenic propaganda served only to alienate the Greeks, I mean, Slavist historical revisionism sensitized the whole Greek-Hellenic nation and the Greek global diaspora against FYRoM.
The Class-rooms of 1944 Macedonia...I mean, the real and proper Macedonia in Northern Greece where young Macedonian children were learning the standard Greek curriculum in their innocence had to contend with a Northern Slavic Ideological threat which was planning not only to take Macedonia away from the Greeks by military means, but to take that very name in order to make it Slavic. The Greek reaction to Yugoslavia renaming it's South-Serbian Vardar region in 1945 to Socialist Republic of Macedonia, was to complain but that complaint was quickly rejected for political expediancy reasons.
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Greeks were buffered from the Communist countries of Eastern Europe for two generations with hardly any contact, but from it's demise...Communism gave way to freedoms and human rights to a peoples who took those rights and freedoms to mean they could oust the Greeks from their Hellenic ancestral base, by using historical revisionism and pseudo-history. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can trace their beginnings back to the settlement of the Slavic tribes when some of their anciestors decided to lay down some roots on Imperial Byzantine soil, they are not the Macedonians they think they are or were told they are and we need not investigate that far back into dark-age medievil history, when just two generations ago they were speaking Bulgarian and living on Serbian land when in 1943 they buried their loved ones using the Bulgarian Cyrillic script, evidenced on the tombstones of their dearly departed.
The marker point in history when we could easily and clearly point-out the switch-over point, when language shift occured from their original Bulgarian to "so called" Macedonian was in 1944. Before 1944 FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs spoke Bulgarian proper and buried their loved ones using the Bulgarian Cyrillic script to epitaph their Tombstones.
Less than fifty years ago, we find evidence of FYRoM's Bulgarian Identity in the classrooms of 1944 and in the graveyards of their dearly departed!
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